Often in history people have sought to prevent things seen as negative from ocurring. Humans, have legislated laws, built massive fortifications, encrypted data bases, constructed walls and fences. All have failed, when the nature of the demand and supply relationship, has not been addressed.
Little Johnnie and his underage friends are not allowed to buy beer at the corner liquor store, but he gets an adult to to get it for him for a “cut” in cash and/or a beer or two.
Later as an adult he gets his coke from a supplier that differs from the liquor store in legality. France, after the treaty of Versailles, concluding the end of the Great War (WW1), unwilling to properly address the likely rearming of the Rhineland, which did happen, built the Maginot line a string of massive fortifications bearing huge long range guns on hills ending at the Swiss border, The German war machine simply went around the line. People have hacked into corporate data bases, despite encryption, even government agencies have been digitally invaded. China constructed the Great Wall and yet China fell to invading “barbarians.”
The Immigration Fence has to be one of the most idiotic concepts under consideration. Certainly something should be done, but this isn’t it. This fence, as a final concept, will be under manned and not continuous. You can really understand this, if you imagine, the ranch hands telling the owners how well they fenced in three sides (W N E) of the ranch leaving the Southern section open! The money spent on a contract for some security corporation, owned by Republicans (almost a certainty), would be better spent as humanitarian aid to the illegals. This is not to say that would be the best use for this money waiting for a recipient.
Better, would be to address the imbalance between the neighboring economies, and gasp construct maquilodoro businesses that adhere to our standards in Mexico. This would expose the the “leaders” of Mexico for what they are, irresponsible to their citizens. Trade treaties should, as NAFTA does not, include standards for compensation, occupation worker safety standards, environmental standards, housing and health insurance standards. The bottom line here is, the wealthy power elite of Mexico need to get off their money, pay and treat their workers equivalently to ours. When it is more benificial for Mexicans, or any other immigrant group, to work in their respective countries, they will stay home. As long as we have idiotic trade treaties, as we do, people will have an incentive to come here, based on the DEMAND for them, besides the cultural experience. We do not have to be stoopid or stoopider, and throw money, at some lobbying pork barrell contractor, for what amounts to a three sided fence for a quadralateral ranch.
Since when has exposing the leaders of third world countries for what they are ever changed anything. Show me one country in Africa or Central or South America where the leaders of that country have done anything more then token gestures to improve those economies. Most are more concerned with robbing their national treasuries then doing anything about their countries situation or the citizens.
Mexico will never be like the states in it current mind set. Their mentality doesn’t allow for it and the next generation is being raised with the same values of cheat the system, take what you can today and no thought for the future.
I happen to think the fence is a good idea. However, I suggest that instead of hiring some company here in the states to build it, we put every illegal we catch to work on it for three months as punishment before sending them back. The way I figure it, we can have a fence built in about six months stretching from the gulf to the Pacific at little cost. In addition to the fence, I say run about 10,000 volts though it…let a couple of people see a few French fried illegal’s hanging from the fence and things in Mexico may not look for bad.
As for your idea of giving the money to illegal’s instead of building a fence, I can think of lots of legal citizens that could use that help instead of allowing a bunch of illegal’s benefit from crossing of our borders.
Since when has exposing the leaders of third world countries for what they are ever changed anything. Show me one country in Africa or Central or South America where the leaders of that country have done anything more then token gestures to improve those economies. Most are more concerned with robbing their national treasuries then doing anything about their countries situation or the citizens.
Mexico will never be like the states in it current mind set. Their mentality doesn’t allow for it and the next generation is being raised with the same values of cheat the system, take what you can today and no thought for the future.
I happen to think the fence is a good idea. However, I suggest that instead of hiring some company here in the states to build it, we put every illegal we catch to work on it for three months as punishment before sending them back. The way I figure it, we can have a fence built in about six months stretching from the gulf to the Pacific at little cost. In addition to the fence, I say run about 10,000 volts though it…let a couple of people see a few French fried illegal’s hanging from the fence and things in Mexico may not look for bad.
As for your idea of giving the money to illegal’s instead of building a fence, I can think of lots of legal citizens that could use that help instead of allowing a bunch of illegal’s benefit from crossing of our borders.
Angola and Venezuela, despite our hostility towards both governments, although we are relaxing towards Angola. Remember UNITA the terrorist organisation we supported against the Angolan government?
Just in case you were not clear on the concept, better is not synonymous with good. Better is relative, and good is subjectively qualitative. As an example: it would be better to be bitten by a rattlesnake, than a king cobra, assuming the bitten person wants to live, and from their perspective.
Good is something you like or approve of, such as a medium rare elk filet. I do not approve of giving the money to the illegals, but that is better than building this pork barrell fence, with a cost estimate of 8-30 billion USD. That is idiotic, as there is no plan to make it continuous, like the Maginot line.
Angola and Venezuela, despite our hostility towards both governments, although we are relaxing towards Angola. Remember UNITA the terrorist organisation we supported against the Angolan government?
Just in case you were not clear on the concept, better is not synonymous with good. Better is relative, and good is subjectively qualitative. As an example: it would be better to be bitten by a rattlesnake, than a king cobra, assuming the bitten person wants to live, and from their perspective.
Good is something you like or approve of, such as a medium rare elk filet. I do not approve of giving the money to the illegals, but that is better than building this pork barrell fence, with a cost estimate of 8-30 billion USD. That is idiotic, as there is no plan to make it continuous, like the Maginot line.
how about this? we enforce the actual laws on the books already. We abandon the idiotic interpretation of the 15th Amenedment that anyone who is squeezed out of their mother on American soil is a citizen. This amenedment was supposed to invest the frred slaves with citizenship. back when it was adopted, it did not make the babies of the American Indians born on a reservation a citizen and it would not and did not make the child of a foriegn ambassador born in this country a citizen. It certainly was not intended to invest citizenship to the offspring of an illegal alien who was able to be in thi country illegally and managed to have her bay at a hospital in this country. how absurd!
I suggest we do like very other country does and differentiate the US citizens from the rest. you are either a citizen, a legal immigrant, a tourist or a criminal.
disincentivize the illegals from illegally walking, flying or swimming here with the intent to stay and live. Expand LEGAL immigration by all means.
Once it will no longer be possible to have a job, send kids to school or obtain welfare or any other benefit beyond emergency room care, the illegals will not come in such numbers and those here will start to go home.
prosecute employers who knowingly hire illegals!
Simply make it illegal to wire money to Mexico!
Think about how the Mexican government would actually have to start acting in a way to improve its economy if it had to now answer to its poverty class instead of seeing them go to the US to become a source of cash wired back into the country with basically no cost to the Mexican government.
If all the Mexicans who come here each year stayed in Mexico, they could put real pressure on the Mexico government to either change or get voted out.
HunterC
how about this? we enforce the actual laws on the books already. We abandon the idiotic interpretation of the 15th Amenedment that anyone who is squeezed out of their mother on American soil is a citizen. This amenedment was supposed to invest the frred slaves with citizenship. back when it was adopted, it did not make the babies of the American Indians born on a reservation a citizen and it would not and did not make the child of a foriegn ambassador born in this country a citizen. It certainly was not intended to invest citizenship to the offspring of an illegal alien who was able to be in thi country illegally and managed to have her bay at a hospital in this country. how absurd!
I suggest we do like very other country does and differentiate the US citizens from the rest. you are either a citizen, a legal immigrant, a tourist or a criminal.
disincentivize the illegals from illegally walking, flying or swimming here with the intent to stay and live. Expand LEGAL immigration by all means.
Once it will no longer be possible to have a job, send kids to school or obtain welfare or any other benefit beyond emergency room care, the illegals will not come in such numbers and those here will start to go home.
prosecute employers who knowingly hire illegals!
Simply make it illegal to wire money to Mexico!
Think about how the Mexican government would actually have to start acting in a way to improve its economy if it had to now answer to its poverty class instead of seeing them go to the US to become a source of cash wired back into the country with basically no cost to the Mexican government.
If all the Mexicans who come here each year stayed in Mexico, they could put real pressure on the Mexico government to either change or get voted out.
HunterC
Hunter,
I absolutely beleive that a market solution is the only way to deal with this. Remittances back to Mexico are the second largest influx of currency. Naturally this is a drain. Reciprocal trade agreements with shared standards is the only way to get this to work.
Cost update for the fence; the 28 mile section south of Tucson will cost $2billion. Anyone think these people will just walk around this section? Once again this is shockingly stupid. The Mexican government needs to get up off their a$$e$ and raise standards to ours and Canada’s.
This is yet another reason to get off the oil addiction. We will actually have economic leverage and could then tell Mexico to stick their Pemex oil up their a–es, and tell the middle east to kindly do the same.
Hunter,
I absolutely beleive that a market solution is the only way to deal with this. Remittances back to Mexico are the second largest influx of currency. Naturally this is a drain. Reciprocal trade agreements with shared standards is the only way to get this to work.
Cost update for the fence; the 28 mile section south of Tucson will cost $2billion. Anyone think these people will just walk around this section? Once again this is shockingly stupid. The Mexican government needs to get up off their a$$e$ and raise standards to ours and Canada’s.
This is yet another reason to get off the oil addiction. We will actually have economic leverage and could then tell Mexico to stick their Pemex oil up their a–es, and tell the middle east to kindly do the same.