For goodness sake man, where are your priorities? Where is your compassion!

what about these mythological boogeymen, Sue?

arent they ruining this country? If not, what in the F do you call it?

Illegals costing US more than Iraq War

from http://www.rense.com

Illegals Costing US Taxpayers
More Than Iraq War

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cisorg/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. http://www.cisorg/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRI…4/01/ldt.0.html

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRI…/01/ldt.01.html

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRI…/01/ldt.01.html

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRI…/01/ldt.01.html

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare and Social Services by the American taxpayers. http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. http://transcripts..cnn.com/TRANSCR…/01/ldt.01.html

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s two-and-a-half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRI…/12/ldt.01.html

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report. http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12 The National Policy Institute, “estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.”http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. “The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States”. http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

Total cost is a whooping… $338.3 BILLION A YEAR!!!

I haven’t once strayed from the topic of this post, which is immigration, its causes and effects. Race and poverty are part of the immigration equation, and crime is related to poverty. Frosty is the one who focuses on race; by frequently singling out Mexicans and Muslims. A lot of other people immigrate here too, but he never mentions them.

Neither does he distinguish illegal or legal the way you and Mike do. He just doesn’t want immigrants here at all. And I suspect neither do you or Mike, but you both employ “the signature slight-of-hand modus operandi (MO)” of the closed-borders crowd; pretending it’s just illegal immigration that bothers you.

Which is why I keep asking the same question over and over again which none of you will answer honestly or thoroughly; why not just get them legally into our system? It solves all of your concerns, yet you all refuse to even consider or discuss it. Why?

I really don’t care one way or another whether immigrants come here or they don’t. I’m just so sick of reading posts and comments about the mythological boogeyman that’s ruining our society. It doesn’t exist. Immigration is not the enemy and neither are the immigrants, illegal or otherwise. It’s just a focus for people’s fears, which is what I’m trying to dispel by challenging Frosty’s hypothesis.

But if a different point of view scares you or offends you, I’ll step aside and let you all validate each other’s fear, suspicion and yes; hatred of immigrants.

It always has to be what Sue and kathren” says it has to be about (I think that is why you have so much resistance in the newspapers because of “your way or the highway” approach) yet when you debate with Frosty and company you use the Race card, the Poverty card, the red-herring card, the Immigration card.

It is you, who wont stay on topic….

Its frustrating to debate with an 8 year old girl who knows everything. and no, Im not trying to demean you, you act just like my last gfs 8 year old daughter.

If the process is to long, call your government, they will listen to the will of the people.

My proposal is that they do get in line, but we make the line go faster, smoother and cheaper to prevent them from getting out of line. If we need to hire more Americans to make that happen…all the better!

Once they’re citizens, they’ll be responsible for pulling their weight, paying their taxes and obeying our laws.

What’s the problem with that?

we have a process…..

they need to get in line, its just that simple

I think a saner option would be to promote economic growth in Mexico, but we can’t even promote our own economic growth. The fact is, immigration numbers will rise and fall according to economic situations in both countries. It will follow its own natural cycles.

Now if you guys want to fix this “problem,” you should be lobbying our representatives and most important; greasing their palms with the equivalent of what they’re raking in from businesses that depend on cheap immigrant labor for big profits. Maybe then you could get all these laws passed that you keep touting.

But like I said, prohibition laws don’t work anyway. They’ll still come here illegally and then it will be a law enforcement problem…pretty much like it is now.

So back again to my original proposition; make them legal. If you give amnesty to every immigrant here illegally, requiring them to register and undergo a background check, receive a SS# and National ID, then they will have to be hired at the same wage as a natural born citizen (thus eliminating the competition for jobs), they’ll have to pay taxes and be subject to the same eligibility requrements for health care as we are, etc.

If that happened, there would be alot less illegal immigration, and alot less immigration period. Plus it would take away the ability of businesses to hire cheap labor, giving all of us an equal opportunity for jobs.

I understand the overpopulation concern, but the fact is they are going to keep coming here, laws or not, so why not regulate it? Legalization and regulation are the answer, not prohibition.

And so it is.

My very last word on this:

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION: A complete end to illegal immigration and remopval of all illegals currently in ther country.

LEGAL IMMIGRATION: annual legal immigration at sustainable numbers, numbers that would allow out explosive population growth to eventually stabilize. The U.S Census Bureau says that about 300,000 people permanent leave the country annually, so 300,000 total legal immigrants a year, throughly in keeping with our traditional, historical numbers. (From 1776 to 1976 we averaged 300,000 legal immigrants a year.) .

Based on the actual immigration numbers the U.S. experienced from 2000-2009, the country is now on the Census Bureau’s (high)projection trajectory for the year 2100, that is, we are now vectored to reach a population of 1.181 billion by century’s end.

Ms. Gray’s last word: “make legal immigration easier, faster, cheaper and unlimited…,” something tantamount to advocating for an unspeakable hate crime against future generation.

And so it is.

And Mike you posted: “Why allowing mass immigration from high fertility countries should be a no-no:”

I thought we were only supposed to be talking about illegal immigration!

You never question his statistics, postulations or conclusions and he doesn’t even provide sources or websites for most of it like I did. He just makes statements as if they’re facts and you all fall right in line. You must all be reading from the same anti-immigration handbook.

For the record I am not “open borders” or pro-immigration. I just see things the way they are. Immigration is a fact of life, people go where there’s opportunity. It’s neither good nor bad. It just is.

So when you say you’re not against immigration, just ILLEGAL immigration, I say the solution is simple; make legal immigration easier, faster, cheaper and unlimited, so that people won’t HAVE to break the law to come here. If you’re really only against their illegality, then why don’t you take the position of giving them all amnesty?

Lastly Mr. infowars.com and Mr. McGarry, I comment on Frosty’s posts not because I champion or defend immigrants or illegals, it’s because I champion and defend humanity and I take great offense at the prejudice, bigotry, xenophobia, fearmongering, and hate that he spews on a regular basis on Aspen Post.