The political divide in this country appears to be one where if you are a liberal, you will want liberation for liberty and expanded civil rights, access by merit to education, careers, opportunity and the good life.
If a person is part of the reactionary base (mis-called “conservative”), they will want a someone they see as a “strong decisive leader.” This leader, dictator, monarch, fuerher is quick curt and decisive. Decisions made are final. Debate, counsel, advice, explanation, transparency and consideration are seen as signs of weakness. Quips and off the cuff remarks are all that are needed for communication. Rewards are flags, bibles, 4th of July parades and praise for demographic identity. This is paternalism. The only question they have for liberals is based on why can’t we (liberals) be satisfied with what reactionaries are satisfied with. It is a good question.
The answer is really simple — we are better than that, we can contribute more by being educated and healthy and most importantly, we are aware that ignorance is no virtue. The contributions of educated industrious people have gifted the material wealth difference between the reactionary IgnoRanti Christianites and the Taliban paleoliths cannibalizing the Islamic world.
and what if they are in the middle? who refuse to drink either kool aid A or B
THE DESTROYERS WHO CONTROL CONGRESS, THE WHITE HOUSE & MEDIA
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd471.htm
Patriotism is ignorance. If you live your own life with wisdom and morality the decisions of others won’t matter. You two (Ed and infowars.com) are polar opposites. Infowars.com doesn’t want to deal with issues outside of his own life and also doesn’t trust the government involvement in anything; Ed wants the government running every aspect of everyday life to make the world more fair and just place. So where is the divide? Politics is the divide. Infowars.com should have the right to say no to the government and shouldn’t have to fund people/projects that he doesn’t trust; just as much as Ed should use his own resources (intellect included) to help the world become a more just place(via: “liberty and expanded civil rights, access by merit to education, careers, opportunity and the good life.”). The divide is in the fact that both of you contribute to the government and therefore you both want equal or proportional control over it. If you let go of the idea that every contributing patriot somehow has a command in moving a mono-directional system, then you will be free from it. Command your own life and move separate of anything but yourself. Give them everything they ask, but don’t eat their bone when they throw it to you. Don’t ask or accept anything out of the government and realize that through politic you truly are just one person
[If you live your own life with wisdom and morality the decisions of others won’t matter.] I’m sorry but those decisions do matter, When someone discriminates against me because of my looks and caps a career it matters to me and the family support. It matters when they decide to be a problem to my blonde haired blue eyed wife because she is with me. Believe me, it matters.
[Ed wants the government running every aspect of everyday life to make the world more fair and just place.]
Info is not my polar opposite, he writes as though he is terrified of government, I view government as a necessary evil. He sees himself perhaps as an island, but I would prefer he define that; I see myself as ready to live as an island. Long ago, I defined my needs as air, food, water and shelter which may be just the clothing on my back.
Government is in my way protecting people who have cheated me from how I would rectify the situations. These people know the government protect them and their actions by slowing things down, delaying, forcing me to pay into a system to recover what should never have happened. The thieves and bigots are aware of this and so am I. Do you think Madoff would have done what he did if there was no intervening legal system? At least one of the thousands he cheated, would have busted a cap in his ass, and I would say,”oh well,” and could care less — but he is protected.
The problem I have with government is, the enablement and development of a scoundrel culture and their subsequent protection. If government went after polluters, bigots and the rest of the white collar criminals, as much as they go after food shoplifters and how they went after marijuana users, I wouldn’t have a problem with government, even though I don’t need it. The government protects “property” in the form of land rights that stops ANYONE and EVERYONE from the freedom of a subsistence life. That is true freedom, the absolute freedom that the Info types reject, reducing all their rhetoric as the talk it is.
The government has done me “favors” like pulling me over for driving because of my appearance. I have never been compensated for the time taken.
If one takes the mantle, responsibility and honor of citizen in a commonwealth, one also is in a position of accepting government. This I have done.
If the bigots, retardates, thieves, polluters and morons want the right to discriminate against me, and I had the right to do what I want to get them out of my way, it would simply be an inconvenient annoyance. Keep in mind that it is they who initiate the problem.
The merit part of this goes to the fact that this country nearly exclusively, in the industrialized and post indutrialized world, has a moron promoting culture. Stupidity is seen as an honest virtue, the province of the simple minded. Only here do the morons share power with the capable.
[and what if they are in the middle? who refuse to drink either kool aid A or B.]
Those unable or unsure whether they should support a mythological pathos with the rape of the tooth fairy under the money tree as economic policy, or those who seek a better place, which you are equating with some other form of Kool Aid. I’d rather hope for the pie in the sky and work for it than accept the former or be in the middle, confused about the difference.
If you are confused about; evolution, global warming, whether there is an earth centered universe, then I don’t want to waste time on the “debate.” I also don’t want to be held to those idiotic levels of consideration.
[and what in your mind exactly are your proudest moments with your position......your mouth? ]
position on what, in what, in reference to who, relative to….???? As in WTF are you talking about? Wilson Pickett sang The Land Of A Thousand Dances. What are you going to do ad nauseum? Cite a thousand conspiracies and the threads of infomation (not a misspelling) emanating from them, as though all are immutably correct and intertwined with the horde of illegal immigrants indulging in rape, plunder and defiling the purity of your reactionary paranoid “libertarian” pseudo-anarchy vision?
Sadly there are things I agree with you on and yet you are unable to consider anything that smacks of accepted reality.
Pot and Hemp yes I agree; regulated and prosecuted by idiotic laws.
JFK; sure, I do believe there was another shooter, probably behind/under a sewer grate in the direction of the “grassy knoll.”
9-11 I do believe the government knew something about it and did nothing. What they knew may not have included what specifically or the exact actions taken. Certainly, there were quite a few Saudis spirited out of the country while the brave war hero Bush was hiding. But trying to convince anyone with a modicum of intelligence, the buildings fell faster than normal gravitational accelleration is not going to fly — it is ridiculous. Bombs in the buildings? Silly, when Bush could let the plot happen, by making no effort to stop it, or identify it — eliminating almost all paper and electronic trails. Pentagon? I used to drive by it almost every day. It looked like a plane hit it and the kerosene fue burning left a great deal of carbon black/soot on the building, most solid rocket propellants do not have an abundance of hydrocarbons where a non stoichiometric formula would leave the oxidant un oxidized, since they would be mixed together on a molecular basis and designed to burn or oxidize completely.
economic catastrophe? one of greed more than conspiracy; but some of both and the IgnoRanti voting to place the greedy, corrupt if smart and the morons in power, with those you “identify with” who cleverly refuse to drink the Kool Aid, and voted with/for the previous maladministration.
I can only imagine how this country wouldn’t be in such a pitiable state, if people like you had actually used the very imperfect system we have now, and voted for Gore or Kerry. I know I know you can’t tell the difference and that’s the problem with you. Don’t worry there are some who spoke like you in the Green Party in 2000 and 2004. I wonder if they are thinking now and if they are, what are they thinking.
So what are you proud of, regarding your mouth?
3 skyscrapers came down on 911 in less than 10 seconds. Building 7 did with nothing hitting it. Now the 9-11 commission says its findings were all hogwash.
But thats ok, cuzz your man Barry Sottero err Obama and all his Czars want change and promise they are different
…….and I misspelled some wordz.
“But trying to convince anyone with a modicum of intelligence, the buildings fell faster than normal gravitational accelleration is not going to fly — it is ridiculous. Bombs in the buildings? Silly, when Bush could let the plot happen, by making no effort to stop it, or identify it — eliminating almost all paper and electronic trails. Pentagon? I used to drive by it almost every day. It looked like a plane hit it and the kerosene fue burning left a great deal of carbon black/soot on the building, most solid rocket propellants do not have an abundance of hydrocarbons where a non stoichiometric formula would leave the oxidant un oxidized, since they would be mixed together on a molecular basis and designed to burn or oxidize completely.”
Ok, you win.
But what about this, is there any misspelled words here?
This is from an elite insider who was supposed to keep his mouth shut, but who decided to expose the deceit of the “9/11 Commission” instead.
The Ground Truth: The Untold Story of America Under Attack on 9/11
By John Farmer
From Mark Crispin Miller
Hang onto your hats:
John Farmer, Dean of the Law School at Rutgers University and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was legal counsel to the 9/11 Commission, and in charge of drafting its report.
And now, having read through lots of further evidence, he’s come to the conclusion that the official version of the story is almost entirely untrue, based on false testimony by the WhiteHouse, CIA, FBI and NORAD.
His new book, The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11, makes this case with loads of documentary evidence–and his colleagues on the commission are on board, as the article below makes clear.
So are John Farmer and those other members of that very commission all “conspiracy theorists”?
“At some level of government,” says Dean Farmer, “at some point in time, a decision was made not to tell the truth about the national response to the attacks on the morning of 9/11. We owe the truth to the families of the victims of 9/11. We owe it to the American public as well, because only by understanding what has gone wrong in the past can we assure our nation’s safety in the future.”
Here’s the press release re: Farmer’s book from Rutgers University:
This book makes the bold and accurate claim that the so-called 9/11 Commission was a Whitewash meant to conceal rather than reveal the truth.
But when avenues of investigation are intentionally ignored, we are left speculating as to what the truth really is. Farmer, former legal counsel of the 9/11 Commission, offers some startling theories and information that is a truthful alternative to the Comission’s politically positioned “findings.”
“In revisiting the tragedy of the 9/11 attacks that still haunt America, John Farmer provides a devastating account of how what government and military officials told Congress, the 9/11 Commission on which he served, the media, and the public ‘was almost entirely, and inexplicably, untrue.’ The result is a major, carefully documented and deeply disturbing book, one that deserves the most serious attention of every American concerned about our future.”
–Haynes Johnson, Pulitzer Prize winner and best-selling author.
“Physics teaches us that waves of the same frequency amplify each other. That’s what brought down the Tacoma Narrows Bridge. The Ground Truth reveals 9/11 as a manifestation of that same phenomenon, with waves of history cresting together. It does so with perfect clarity, thanks to the brilliance of finding, in the examples of two “minor” national security agencies, the dysfunctionality that plagued the mightiest-seeming arms of the government. I made the mistake of not writing down the first two or three times I felt goosebumps. The Ground Truth is superbly conceived and carried out. What a great book.”
–Jim Dwyer, author of 102 Minutes: The Untold Story of the Fight to Survive Inside the Twin Towers
And Farmer concludes that a government that conceals the truth puts the nation at great risk.
Whenever the federal government wants to hide the truth, rather than reveal it, they set up a politically appointed and guided “commission.”
Such was the case, as many of us speculated, with the betrayal of the “9/11 Commission.”
It’s a worthwhile read to have it confirmed in such a bold book by the Dean of Rutgers University School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey.
About the Author: John Farmer became Dean of Rutgers School of Law–Newark on July 1, 2009. In addition to his work for the 9/11 Commission, he has served as Attorney General of New Jersey, Chief Counsel to Governor Christine Todd Whitman, as a federal prosecutor, a law enforcement expert to the special envoy for Middle East regional security, and a founding partner of a New Jersey law firm.
“And Farmer concludes that a government that conceals the truth puts the nation at great risk.”
Since when has any government been truthful? Lying is at the very core of politics and power. Every government does it; Dem, Rep, Socialist, Communist. It’s the way it is.
Certainly, the government lied to us about the events of 9/11. And certainly it was used to take away our liberties and get us into war. So what? It’s always been like that. Governments always lie to gain power and wealth. And mostly, they get away with it, because really, there’s not much that can be done to change that. As soon as you overthrow one corrupt government another one rises in it’s place.
OK infowars, so say it happened just like you believe. Now what?
Are we, the people, supposed to take up our pitchforks and go after the Illuminati, Trilateral Commission, World Bank, Republican/Democrat cabal? Then what? Set up another type of government that is not susceptible to greed, corruption and conspiracy? HA! GOOD LUCK!
And besides, if what you say is true, then this is bigger than all of us. If it’s us poor peons against insurmountable evil, we can’t possibly win. We cannot prevail over the kind of organization that could pull off what you’re suggesting happened on 9/11.
So why fight it? Why keep trying to convince people of it? If it is what you say it is, then there’s no point in arguing with people who don’t believe you. If the ship’s going down, we’re all going to drown, no matter whether we believe the ship accidentally struck an iceberg or it was deliberately sabotaged by the captain and crew.
But…if 9/11 really was the work of Arab terrorists who attacked us as revenge for the millions of Arabs who’ve died and suffered for our foreign policy, well then, maybe there is something that can be said and done to make the future safer and more peaceful. In which case, we should concentrate our efforts toward that instead of being distracted by futile efforts to convince the American public that 9/11 was an inside job. IMHO.
Ed,
“I view government as a necessary evil.”
The government is neither necessary nor evil. Right now we have freedom under a perfect system, but I’m referring to our “will” and not the United States. Laws have not helped racism, education has. You are not protected by laws and laws do not change people. Those who want to discriminate against you will do so whether laws are in place or not. Sure, a few will be punished for discrimination, but their punishment will be short lived and will just inspire more anger.
Inforwars.com,
Okay the building were bombed, so now what? How does this affect your life? Did you bomb the buildings? Would it change anything if the people that you feel are responsible were killed? How exactly does finding the right people to blame change anything?
Great pic Conman.
I have a lot to say on the subject, let me think about it more. But until then I would ask that you at least give the below listed link a read.
Until we STOP following the LIES of this government we will have the same doom as the citizens of Hitler’s Germany did.
If all we are going to talk about here is Palin’s church, Obama’s Czars or skin color or even illegals taking advantage of this country, then we are going to be sidetracked and not focusing in on the real horror of our situation because of what was done and who did it on 9-11.
If we really wanted to have FREEDOM we would stop pimping and cheerleading the LIES this government feeds us and fight for TRUTH. But that wont happen, at least it wont here. That would put the conman out of a job.
People that believe the government’s story about 911 don’t want to believe what Hitler called the Big Lie. They simply refuse to believe that their government could lie to them about something like this. Here’s a good article on the topic -
http://www.vdare.com/roberts/090914_propaganda.htm
a small snipit
Democracy is based on the assumption that people are rational beings who factually examine arguments and are not easily manipulated. Studies are not finding this to be the case. In my own experience in scholarship, public policy, and journalism, I have learned that everyone from professors to high school dropouts has difficulty with facts and analyses that do not fit with what they already believe. The notion that “we are not afraid to follow the truth wherever it may lead” is an extremely romantic and idealistic notion. I have seldom experienced open minds even in academic discourse or in the highest levels of government. Among the public at large, the ability to follow the truth wherever it may lead is almost non-existent.
The US government’s response to 9/11, regardless of who is responsible, has altered our country forever. Our civil liberties will never again be as safe as they were. America’s financial capability and living standards are forever lower. Our country’s prestige and world leadership are forever damaged. The first decade of the 21st century has been squandered in pointless wars, and it appears the second decade will also be squandered in the same pointless and bankrupting pursuit.
The most disturbing fact of all remains: The 9/11 event responsible for these adverse happenings has not been investigated.
Infowars.com,
Great link and great thoughts.
Our liberty remains intact and nothing the government does can change that. No government or law has ever added to or taken from freedom. People are afraid of truth and responsibility and therefore we create governments.
You have a distinct distrust for the government, so I must ask: how are you dealing with this? What changes would come about in your perfect world?
Hitler was not the powerful individual that everyone makes him out to have been. Without people contributing their lives through ignorance, Hitler would have been just a man rambling in a bar. Ignorance is the power that every individual contributed to Hitler’s idea.
Sue “So What?” wow, ok, so what if the Palestinians are getting butchered by the criminal lying gang in Israel…so what…rolls eyes. If you choose not decide you have made a huge decision.
Nate, In truth there is power. I remember when this government decided that tell marketers could call and harass homeowners 24/7. What happened? well 85+ million people called this government and told them this wasn’t acceptable. Then the Supreme Courts held an emergency session and stated that they could no longer do this, this happened in less than 4 days.
Right now 85% of New Yorkers believe the 9-11 commission is bunk and 55% say 9-11 was an inside job. Can you imagine if 85+ million people called this government and held their feet to the fire on 9-11.
Or how about we just stop paying taxes.
As too Hilter, of course he was a joke and madman, that was until Kings and Queens and Royalty, the Industrialists and of course the Bankers of both America and Europe bankrolled him, even some of Americas S+P companies built his war machine even as our troops were fighting the Nazi Machine even up to the last days of the war.
[Sue "So What?" wow, ok, so what if the Palestinians are getting butchered by the criminal lying gang in Israel...so what...rolls eyes. If you choose not decide you have made a huge decision.]
That’s just my point. We can agitate against foreign policies like supporting Israel without condition, which leads to the suffering of the Palestinians. We can agitate for domestic policy changes like women and blacks getting the vote. We can agitate against actions like war and telemarketers. These things can all be changed by citizen action.
If 85 million people call the government and ask them to invistigate 9/11, what then? Say everything you believe is found to be true; there were no hijackers, the WTC was rigged with bombs, it was done by our government to destroy financial records in building 7 and to get American’s consent to wage war in the ME. OK? It’s all true, it’s all out in the open, everyone knows…now what? We send a few hundred people to jail and start over?
Will taking down those in our government who are responsible for 9/11 really change the world order? Don’t you think there are bigger forces at work that remain totally unaffected by who occupies the White House, Congress or the Supreme Court?
What is is it you really expect or desire to see happen here? What’s the ultimate solution?
Sue, Truth wins every time, period.
I guess you can grow up, pick up the sword like you have always done or drive your car into a tree. or, I guess you can go worship football or walmart shopping or go play politic whoredumb like the conman does. Right now you have the Freedom to do as you like. Tomorrow, I dont know.
agitation is a word you like to use, I dont really understand that. Truth is not agitation, it is simply the truth.
Truth is the only way. Get it, Live it, and Pass it on.
Eventually the conman and his cheerleaders and puppet handelers will understand, but then it will be to late.
This site and radio show only promotes hiding lies and obvuscation. It never will talk about the REAL issues, and gee to think that this government had any part in 9-11 would be crazy thinking to the conman. It dont matter what the facts tell.
9-11 was an inside job. This government needs to be tried for it. Will another government be worse? I dont know and I dont care.
The fact is, the Indians never scalped anyone, it was always this government that did the scalping, raping, stealing the land, killing, murdering, injecting with measle blankets and genocide of the Native Tribes, and history repeats itself. The Tribes of the Middle East are getting butchered for the lies of this government.
See, history repeats itself…..and as we speak, China is already going into Africa to “help them.”
As long as Truth gets demonized evil wins.
["Physics teaches us that waves of the same frequency amplify each other. That's what brought down the Tacoma Narrows Bridge.]
These are harmonic vibrations, this type of situation can without dampening, shake rattle and roll buildings down.
Truth? what is Truth other than the analog of reality?
Yes, the Bush administration did lie about 9-11 and yes Obama is doing less than nothing to open up Pandoras box of delights for the masses to consume — on that situation.
There are differing levels of goodness, kindness, evil and diabolical actions. It is in all of us. The pathology is when a willful decision is made to do an act of evil. the corruption of our spirit happens when one does or allows evil to happen and their is utterly no disturbance to the senses of honor, virtue, decency and honesty. There have been more of the pathologies and spiritual corruption than the desire to do “good” things and act with kindness, as far as our government is concerned.
It has been ALL ABOUT POWER. The GOP has been far better at this game, since much of humanity wants to be led, instead of experience liberation for liberty, access and opportunity. This unfortunate reality has brought us the Hitlers, Stalins, Pol Pots and Bush. This country needs a Marcus Aurelius, as an example in power who then WON’T give us another Commodus.
The truth will always be demonized. The uneducated masses will never know, want to be led, and are the fodder of every reactionary, right wing, nationalistic feurher/ (Stalinite or Palinite [should Palin rhyme with Stalin?])
Paternalism usually wins out in a popularity contest, since liberation requires explanations.
Laws have not helped racism, education has.
Laws can’t reverse willfull ignorance of the sort desired by the Ignoranti. But, for every one else they can make education ACCESSABLE — nothing more nothing less. A commonwealth makes it possible to have information developed, and organized, therefore theoretically accessable.
I have found two products that humor me through being unintentionally racist. The first is band-aids. They make them all in the same tan color to blend in with my (honkey) skin. The other is all ladders. Look at the warning stickers on the side of every ladder. The white guy is using the ladder properly and the black guy is always falling. Racism humors me and I have a hard time believing anyone could actually believe in racism. With so many legitimate reasons to hate people, why would anyone need to make up such a ridiculous reason like the color of someone’s skin?
Racism will start to die off with the baby boomers and is just being perpetuated by the elder generation holding on to divisive attitudes of the past. But education is winning and racial ignorance is losing. Laws were never need and they never helped.
Racism is not a defensible position and never has been, but your lovely government is ran by majorities and the majority loves ignorance. The government restricted knowledge and always will. Changes through politics can only move at the politically correct speed. The government always a hindrance, but governments are founded on laziness and procrastination. If people were thinking and doing, then what use would governments have?
[ With so many legitimate reasons to hate people, why would anyone need to make up such a ridiculous reason like the color of someone’s skin?]
The ignorant are programmed — they don’t have to make it up, combining that with stupidity means a continuing lack of ability to discern rationalising general hatreds from the very personal reasons to like or dislike a specific person. The ridiculous is a “factual norm” for everyone who is a bigot.
Environmental conditioning seems to produce CULTures. Many have various bigotries, and even more are concerned in a Machiavellian way about power. Byzantine methods are frequently used and become the propaganda schlock the morons consume with ignorant lust, and recapitulate.
It may not matter to the “conservative”/reactionary if their ignoRanti sheeple cite the equivalent of Ptolemy (He didn’t have a telescope to know any better) in scientific, political, social and economic issues, since the morons were given the recapitulant to regurgitate by the reactionary leaders. It does matter to the the liberal type, I can’t cite serial killings by Karl Rove and be seriously believed by any one genuinely liberal. There would be no traction based in fact.
[If people were thinking and doing, then what use would governments have?]
I have heard these arguments from well meaning people, that were a part of the anarchist movement. The anarchists and communists, both ignore the spectrum of reality regarding present human nature — greed and lust for power would need to be eradicated, for either economic possibility to exist, even though those possibilities bear little resemblance to each other. It is an impractical hope — sadly, at least to me. Utopia, perhaps is always meant to be out of reach, within the restrictions of current DNA. That is the ultimate reactionary excuse to attempt to do no better, and reason enough for any liberal to seek a better way in getting close to Utopia.
Okay, I’m not a part of any movement. Anarchists want to force anarchy on people, which is a contradiction in itself. I express my opinions to inspire people to not blame others and take responsibility for their own lives. My ideology is a choice and not a political stance or a stance at all. I don’t need to make a stance; I have nothing to protect. Everybody already has freedom and justice. Again, I don’t think any government is evil; it only represents the ignorance and laziness of people. People who think the government is the problem are just passing blame. The best of me and my views does not blame any of my problems on anyone else. If I take responsibility for my own life then I am responsible for my own Utopia. This freedom is why the world is perfect. What could be more fair or just?
[Anarchists want to force anarchy on people, which is a contradiction in itself.]
Yet they still do it and your logic would have been better buttressed if you had not wrote the following…
[My ideology is a choice and not a political stance or a stance at all. I don’t need to make a stance; I have nothing to protect.] Making a choice is making a stance — a choice whether you will not protect something or anything, or that you will protect something or everything, and to what degree. You make a choice to disassociate yourself from all of humanity, if that is a genuine choice. You choose as I do and all other bloggers to publish your choices and yes stance on any issues you choose. Unlike some bloggers, here and elsewhere you also choose to engage meaningfully.
But you have a job, you make decisions affecting others and there are effects from that. The analog of reality is integrated — that old web of life.
[Everybody already has freedom and justice.] [If I take responsibility for my own life then I am responsible for my own Utopia. This freedom is why the world is perfect. What could be more fair or just? ]
Everyone has some freedoms — while they are alive. Even a person facing imminent death while cognizant, via legal, illegal or natural means can dream whatever they choose, actions may be another matter. Everyone certainly has justice without equivocation regardless of how just the adjudication is. Slavery, the holocaust, and the occupation via settlements in what could be Palestinian territory were legal in the jurisdictions controlling the situation. I am amongst the some who do not think these situations to be just.
If someone looked at you and decided that because of that (this rationalization might be a “reason” to them) they would kill you and did, I would call them a murderer and yes blame them for your demise. I would challenge you to explain how you would be free to live out the rest of your life as you intend to having been murdered. Naturally a demonstration would be extremely undesireable.
As to what could be more fair or just, that is fairly easy as a concept and practically impossible… love thy neighbor agape platonic, follow the golden rule, have no greed, covet nothing, give to all, have no envy or jealousy toward anyone, but as we know an asshole starts a social reactive contagion. Some of us are there but are still cognizantly aware that there are those afflicted with greed, hoarding, scheming, plotting, venality, corruption, jealousy, envy, lust, hatred, ignorance and covet what some one else has. That awareness is spiritual pollution that I at least tolerate unless I CHOOSE to become one of them.
The world you refer to might be something like the weltgeist and if so it is very far from perfection — it simply is because we are aware.
We are divided in one major way, our views on death and beyond. I don’t claim to know what you believe or know, but seeing the logic that is God would explain the “unfairness” of the world. This is a perfect world.
My point in clarifying my position by saying “I don’t need to make a stance; I have nothing to protect” is to make clear the fact that I am not telling you or anyone else what to believe and also my intensions/ beliefs are safely inside me. Our Will is freedom. It is the only thing you can decide and in this perfect world no one can take your will away from you. This is why I don’t need to make a stance for something that is already safe. Since my will is the only thing I can decide and it is already protected, what else do I need to stance against?
If I know you at all, you are making a mental list of everything we need to make a stance for or against to protect the well being of humanity. Education, health, racism… These are things you try to make a stance for or against, but I do not. Although we agree on many subjects’ moralities, we completely disagree about our obligations to our views. Education is my only obligation and is the only real way to help. If you weren’t grounded by reality, then I’ll bet that you’d throw on a cap and go around to make people do the “right” thing. But since aren’t Mrs. Justice, you want to throw people in jail, threaten “criminals” with guns, or try to restrain evil, but this will never help. Ultimately each person is in charge of their own lives and therefore each individual has the choice. And yes, in any reality there is “evil”, but we can’t throw evil in jail or beat it down with the constitution.
Welcome back Conman. “Conservatives bastardize the constitution.”
American bastardizes Freedom.
[This is a perfect world.] If being is perfection, then the world is perfect. Mere existence is enough. That existence includes murder rape various euphemisms for mass slaughter — war, holocaust, ethnic cleansing, various oppressions, incarcerations and so forth.
I have to ask; if you were murdered, would that be perfect, since anything imperfect can’t be a part of perfection?
[Our Will is freedom.] Are there limits to “Will?” If not, how do you reconcile the condition of the incarcerated, oppressed, those about to be sacrificed on the altar of law? If there are limits, of what use is “Will?”
I am saying that awareness creates the possibilities of “Good,” “Love,” “Evil,” “Perfection,” and “Hate.”
Whether those exist or not has no relevance regarding whether we are (in a state of presumptive existence).
Or are perfection, good, and evil intangibles with no meaning since awareness is irrelevant to being?
While the proof of existence may rest on “I think therefore I am,” (Meditations, Rene D’Escartes). Existence is not dependent on proof.
[If you weren’t grounded by reality, then I’ll bet that you'd throw on a cap and go around to make people do the “right” thing.]
No, I can only determine what is correct for me. The speculation is, that I sincerely believe regardless of ones cultural programming, if they believe as I do and share my morality/ethics/education mind set, they would be liberal, and we could function without heinous deeds.
I cannot accept the remote possibility of reactionaries/conservatives from different cultures, regions and differing genetics doing the same. That is why they are the scourge of humanity, the achilles heel of the ascent of humanity.
The legal reality diffuses and disapates, what an individual can do to rectify wrongs, that most people would not accept, thus the intiators have an enourmous advantage when it comes to committing criminal, moral, social, emotional and ethical “wrongs,” or “evils.”
I would not bother throwing people in jail — I would make sure they knew their pecking order, since by their actions that is how they have to co-exist. My fellow liberals would not need this, a concept utterly alien to the reactionary/conservative. That is the difference between liberation for liberty, access and opportunity, and the base paternalism, the drone ignoRanti reactionary/conservatives willingly wallow in and want to impose on me.
Repay evil with good. If or when I’m murdered I hope my last words are “I love and forgive you.” I also would not want my murderer to be put on trail or persecuted. If anyone loved me they would forgive and even reach out to my murderer with love.
I know, I know, when I say this world is perfect you get offended because of all the “injustice”. Please feel free to answer my question “What could be more fair or just?” Your answer will reflect our divide. “We are divided in one major way, our views on death and beyond. I don’t claim to know what you believe or know, but seeing the logic that is God would explain the “unfairness” of the world”
The only way I know God is through logic. This logic has led me to certain truths about who I am and what my purpose is. I know nothing outside myself, so my knowledge of humanity is limited to what I know/ learn about myself and add that to my assumption that everyone is of the same likeness. My purpose in life does not depend on any external circumstances (such as the timing or details of my death). My progress and fulfillment are internal and given their due time. I know this because the very definition of fairness and justice is given to me/ us by the creator. He gives us all the same heart to define justice by and therefore we are simply choosing to listen and follow or not.
The accusation that the world is unfair is solely dependent on the accuser’s views of a creator. If you believe in a creator then you must contribute everything to Him. Since you are given your morals or given the logic to finds your morals, then you must also realize that your definitions are whatever your creator gives you. Therefore nothing the creator does is unfair. The real difficulty in understanding my explanation of perfection comes from the extremely difficult concept of a free will. Our will is infinite and therefore not quantifiable. But because our gift of a limitless will, each person is given the perfect chance to choose between good and evil. This on its own is not why the world is perfect because as you well know many of us choose evil. But because our free will comes with prescribed morals, a limited lifespan, and a just judge, perfection exists.
You, the Conman, and many others define people by their political party, but we are all humans. Conservatives are not evil and in fact they are just trying to serve justice to the world in the same way you are. Continually making the point that you are perfectly capable without a government, yet claiming others need a government is hypocritical. You, like me, can only positively know what’s inside of yourself. But where I assume all other individuals are of the same likeness, you assume all others are a less capable, more pathetic creator. Why does humanity needs the “protection” of laws, yet you don’t? What is it that you credit yourself with, but don’t credit others with?
“I would make sure they knew their pecking order” HOW?
Why “would” when your living and choosing now?
We have God given Rights, not this government, nothing less is acceptable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAaPjqdbgQ
Why does humanity needs the “protection” of laws, yet you don’t? What is it that you credit yourself with, but don’t credit others with?
I don’t have those needs, I don’t need help in protecting a greed inspired hoard of materialism. I credit liberals with the ability to do the same, thus association is easy with them.
I don’t grade someone exclusively by party although there appeasrs to be considerable overlap between GOP membership and reactionary. Yes I sit in judgement of reactionaries and so-called conservatives. No I don’t believe conservative Taliban, American Christianites, KKK, Nation of Islam, Mullahs of Iran and Likud Orthodox Israelis can exist together in peace and harmony, despite the theoretical possibility. If all were herded together into a stadium with machetes, they would hack each other to bits in the name of God or something.
Would you stand by and watch someone murder hundreds to maintain perfection? If so, we are vastly different. Far more so than initially imagined.
Under the concept of Natural Law, eliminating aggressors is accepted and expected. Understand, I am not asking for someone to go out of their way relative to what I would do and screw someone over – I don’t have that desire nor should I be expected to enable it and endure it. Thus discriminators, theives, rapists and other types of lowlifes would be much more careful if they knew measures would be taken to deal with them and an elaborate legal apparatus with questionable diligence and unquestioned compromises of what is just would not block action by the aggreived or victim(s).
No one who has ever discriminated towards me, stolen from me or screwed me would do it unless they knew that cover existed.
Reactionaries are evil and similar to a rabid beloved pet, conservatives want to slow things down. There is a difference.
“the protection of laws” ??? surly you just
first “these laws” have to be written by honorable men, no? If not, they mean NOTHING
9-11 and this war on Terrorism is a FARCE, and until those who hide their heads in the sand for cash/jobs and positions stop, nothing will change.
and to mr conman, the book worm who has never heard of this man, I suggest you go out to amazon and do some important reading.
War Is A Racket
This piece was written way back in 1933, but is still just as relevant. It is an excerpt from a speech by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC. Smedley Butler is one of only 19 people in the entire history of the US military to have been awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor twice. The Medal of Honor is the highest award given by the US military.
War is just a racket.
A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.
I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we’ll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.
I wouldn’t go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
There isn’t a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its “finger men” to point out enemies, its “muscle men” to destroy enemies, its “brain men” to plan war preparations, and a “Big Boss” Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.
It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty-three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country’s most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle-man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.
I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.
I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909—1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.
Its sooo silly but, some people just dont get it.
In a Nutshell
1. Speaking metaphorically, George W. Bush slept with the enemy, before, during and after 9-11.
2. Speaking metaphorically, the arsonists (bin Laden & friends) had a dozen meetings with the building owner (George W. Bush) before the fire (9-11).
3. Bush Sr. and bin Laden Sr. are business partners from way back. They both still work together for defence contractor Carlyle Group.
4. bin Laden met with CIA bigwigs 72 days prior to 911 in Dubai in a hospital. They did not arrest him.
5. Bush asked the FBI to stop its investigation of the bin Laden family prior to 9/11.
6. In the week prior to 9/11 all of Bush’s cabinet met with Mahmud Ahmad, the Pakistani ISI head of security, the man who is fingered in bankrolling bin Laden by wiring to $100,000 to the lead hijacker Mohamed Atta. The instant the first plane hit on 9/11 hit Mahmud Ahmad was having breakfast with Representative Porter Goss, R-Sanibel, Senator Bob Graham (D-Florida) and other members of the House Intelligence Committee.
7. As 9/11 unfolded, according to the CBC’s Fifth Estate, Bush Sr. dined with bin Laden’s brother, Shafig bin Laden at the Ritz Carlton hotel.
8. As 9/11 unfolded, Bush holed up with a bunch of children reading them a story about a pet goat. All planes were ordered to land. No planes were scrambled. Bush did not give the order to fire until after 9/11 was over.
9. bin Laden conveniently left a confession tape behind in Afghanistan and made other public pronouncements of his guilt.
10. The head German security said Al-Qaeda could not possibly have pulled it off. It was far beyond their capability.
11. Bush appointed Thomas Kean as 9/11 investigator. He has business ties with the bin Laden family.
12. Bush invaded Afghanistan without showing any evidence either bin Laden or Afghanistan had anything to do with 9/11. He continues to occupy Afghanistan under a new dictator, Unocal’s Hamid Karzai, and they are building a Unocal pipeline through Afghanistan (which is what I originally predicted the war was really all about.) The people are no better off. They have the exact same nightmares, with the addition of rape gangs. To top it off, Afghanistan is now #1 in the world in heroin exporting due to a complete lack of drug enforcement. It would cost only $20 million to totally shut down the heroin trade, but Bush Inc. Red Ink has allowed a staggering 3000 tons to be exported. Bush is now the biggest heroin pusher in America, reviving the drug trade the Taliban had shut down. The UN announced they were exporting 75% of the world’s supply, and later ABC news said they were exporting 87% of the world’s supply.
13. Bush tries to confuse the American public making them think bin Laden and Saddam Hussein are one and the same. This way he can punish Saddam and let bin Laden off free.
What are you to make of all this?
It seems that if bin Laden is guilty, then so is Bush. Bush helped whomever did 9/11 by making sure none of the four planes were shot down.
I suspect that bin Laden is just a CIA operative, doing his job.
Editor,
LOL, see what writing headlines without reading the blogs does?
Infowars.com,
Sorry for the miscommunication, but I believe Ed was quoting and responding to my blog. Your input is interesting though and I would not have guessed you were a former militant. Are you comfortable talking about your military related experiences?
yes, this post has and does seem to go all over the place
my bad
Infowars.com
That’s actually why I stopped calling into Con-games. I tend to be too radical to keep conversations on subject. I believe I am doing Michael and myself a favor. I used to call in and talk smart-ass politics. I never really spoke my absolute opinion and instead I more called in a played the devils advocate. Con-game and other radio shows continue to entertain me but I have now lost the most of my interest in acting.
So is that a yes on the military conversation? I’m not wanting to rail you about it or anything; I just want to pick you mind.
Ed,
Thanks for your response. We are certainly different, but everyone is.
“Repay evil with good” is not a part-time philosophy. When Gandhi was asked about the poster-boy or poster-event for evil (Hitler or WWII) he told a reporter that it was possible to win the “war” without violence, but that people weren’t strong enough to make the sacrifice it would take. I’m paraphrasing, not quoting. Gandhi knew the authority love commands and let it produce powerful results throughout his life. The sacrifice love requires is in you alone.
“Would you stand by and watch someone murder hundreds to maintain perfection?”
This questioned isn’t one that I agree with the premise of, so I can’t give you a simple answer to it. First, perfection doesn’t need maintenance. Second, I am not responsible for anyone’s actions other then my own.
If the question is to my response in stopping someone from murdering, I believe passively educating is the best thing anyone can do to stop any evil from happening. However if you are asking me if I would stop someone from murdering if it were about to happen right in front of me, the answer is yes. Jesus stopped a murder and I would try to have a similar response. I wouldn’t kill to stop another killing, because this is temporary solution that yields little long term results. I would put myself in harms way and try to stop the killing through love. Love is a practical way of creating substantial results.
infowars,
You’re still stuck on what Bush did? What about the shenanigans being pulled by the Obama administration? Shouldn’t we now be focusing on the fact that the Democrats and especially Obama and his cabinet are also in bed with the sinister moneyed powers of the planet?
People are still railing about what happened during the Bush administration, but nothing has changed under Obama, in fact it’s getting worse. Less jobs, less security, less freedom, more corporate profit, more secret backroom deals, more troops in harm’s way.
No one seems to care. America is a lost cause.
Sue, do you really expect me to get anywhere here on the conjob’s blogg site with Obama?
I cant even get him to understand that this war on terrorism is a fraud, and 911 didnt happen the way this government says it did.
So if I started with Obama I would be, at a minimum laughed at, and at the worst censored.
but, since you asked ok….
Lets start here with his 70 CIA photoshopped past lol
http://www.whale.to/b/nicoloff6.html
just look at the pics
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100613
do you wanna talk Obama was born in Kenya too?
Infowars.com is constantly claiming that his voice is being restricted by the Conman. Hopefully this will serve as a good lesson to the Conman. Not because Infowars.com has any grounds to pronounce such a thing, but instead because the Conman recently gave up the right to claim his innocent in censoring. I did not personally witness any of the recent or past comments deleted by Michael, but I have witnessed the effects of it. I’m sure the commits by TeleDogOne were offensive to someone (apparently Michael), but most comments could offend someone in some manner. This is the problem with having judge or editor on a blog; the blog will always be tainted with a bias. And so this is where we are… Michael censored and now Infowars.com, who has never been edited to my knowledge, is able to play a victim. The worst part about this whole thing is that the Conman is against censorship and an advocate of “freedom of expression”. To add to the ridiculousness of the situation, Michael is the very person offering the mediums in which these censorship claims are being spread through. But that’s the how the public opinion works; you can erase a lifetime of achievements with one moment of compromised judgment.
Don’t ever be afraid of what people are saying. Instead be afraid of what people aren’t allowed to say.
Michael,
Re-post ALL the censored comments or at least invite the author to re-post them.
just FYI theres been about 12 times my posts were edited, deleated or just removed.
1 time I called the conmans antics pathetic and it was removed
2 times we were talking about the Jews, Zionism
1 time it was about the fact that the conman was caught in a lie about Steve from Glenwood concerning the holocaust
2 times were about the Holocaust
2 times were about 9-11
2 times were about illegals
and 2 other times they were changed to something I never wrote
I have also scene times when others here have posted and then came back and said that they didnt originally say that, that someone had changed there post, there was one such one, just recently
2 times the conman said that he was on vacation and the person filling in for him had removed my posts
When I asked Sue about this she said that sometimes they get removed or edited but not on purpose
infowars,
No. I don’t want to talk about where Obama was born. Those silly rumors just detract from the true tragedy America faces under Obama. And those who talk birth certificates and CIA photoshop just get marginalized and…laughed at.
What is this obsession the Truthers have about secret pasts and hidden connections? There’s enough crap right out in the open where everyone can easily smell the stench of corruption.
But who’s criticizing the Obama administration for their REAL transgressions? Not the Religious Right, not the self-proclaimed patriots, not the conservatives, not the disillusioned Democrats, not the Con Man and not you infowars.
Meanwhile, back at the White House…
BTW re: deleted comments.
My understanding is that comments containing personal attacks are sometimes (depending on whether the editor is paying attention) purposely deleted, but also that in the editing process, comments sometimes get deleted accidentally. Which is which; only the editor knows for sure.
If the editor were paying attention right now, Sue, he might tell you to go to hell.
I have always talked about Obama and how he is continuing the insane, corrupt and illegal operations that the Bush administration did. But whenever I bring them up, conman and the others decry that Obama hasnt had enough time to completly destory this country yet….give him some more time….
so it back to the birth certificate
Obama is damaging America more than any other president in its history. Here are ten of the biggest ways Obama is destroying America.
1. He’s running up crushing federal debt at a level unprecedented in American history. We are talking trillions upon trillions of dollars in debt. This ensures the the future will bring ruinous taxes, runaway inflation, or eventual financial collapse.
2. He has endorsed and benefitted from systematic violation of election and campaign funding laws. His election saw widespread voter registration fraud from his allies at ACORN and systematic acceptance of dubious campaign donations by disabling normal credit card verification procedures for online donations, allowing donations to be made from foreign donors and from donors using fictitious names. This in turned allowed donors to skirt donation limits if they wished, simply by using bogus names. In the “stimulus” bill, Obama has funded ACORN and similar groups to the tune of billions.
3. Obama has endorsed, and will continue to foster, the entitlement mentality, playing the victim, and mob rule. A typical moment was his warning to bank executives that it was only his administration standing between executives and the mobs with pitchforks. Not mentioned was the fact that Obama’s pals at ACORN were the number one wielders of the pitchforks. Obama is also ushering in socialism at a breathtaking pace. Soon, no major expense in a normal human life will be paid for by the individual. Every major expense, from housing to advanced education to medical care, will be paid for by Big Brother. Incentives to work will be destroyed for both the “rich” and the “poor.” We will all soon be poorer as a result.
4. Obama is gearing up to politicize and manipulate the Census to an unprecedented degree. Given the Obama campaign’s and Obama administration’s other manipulations, I believe it is extremely unlikely that Obama will not end up overcounting “homeless,” illegal aliens, and other Democratic Party interest groups. The result will be to unlawfully shift power to blue states, cementing control of the nation in the hands of statists.
5. Obama is trampling, penalizing, micromanaging, and destroying American business to an unprecedented degree, ahd he’s just getting started. Already we see major automakers about to fail (of course, this is primarily the result of the power labor unions have wielded in the auto industry), we see banks failing and being taken over, and we see restaurants, retailers, and companies in the construction business struggling and failing. To reiterate: Obama is just getting started. It is a terrible time to own a business in America.
6. Obama is lending aid, money, and support to tyrannies and terrorists. From getting chummy with Hugo Chavez to releasing dangerous GITMO terrorists to handing almost a billion dollars to Palestinian terrorists, Obama has yet to meet a terrorist or tyrant he doesn’t seem to like.
7. Obama is discounting and attempting to undermine America’s Christian and Judeo-Christian culture. By constantly treating Christianity as the moral equivalent of atheism and Islam in his public prounouncements — and by proclaiming that America is no longer a Christian nation (even though about 80% of Americans still believe in the resurrection of Christ), Obama is turning his back on America’s great strength.
8. Obama is retroactively criminalizing innocent behavior and excusing unlawful behavior. He appoints tax cheats to his administration and then treats AIG executives as criminals, retroactively imposing 90% taxes on bonuses. He frees GITMO terrorists who tried to kill Americans, and then threatens to prosecute lawyers who gave legal opinions on torture — and broke no laws in doing so.
9. He is rapidly ceding the Middle East back to terrorists and tyrants. He is trying to cozy up to Iran but, more importantly, he is withdrawing troops from Iraq even as violence escalates, risking the loss of that country in the infancy of its democracy. He is moving too slowly and ineffectually in Afghanistan as dangers grow in Pakistan. He is letting the Taliban gain strength to the point where it now threatens to take over Pakistan and its nuclear arsenal.
10. Continued the destruciton of American that the Bush administration started by shreading the Constitution, his stance on illegals, gun control, heath care 35+ Czars, and of course continuing this illegal war on Terrorism.
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Back to the BC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUsNHhj4oA8
Infowars.com,
Sorry, I’ve never seen any of your comments get edited or removed.
Michael,
Thanks for the opportunity that you’ve given me to express myself. I’m sure you’re going through something, but you still should try to hold yourself to a higher set of standard as an editor and radio host. You’re not a celebrity and we live in a small area, so I wouldn’t keep thinking that you can afford to treat people poorly.
Again thank you for the opportunity, but due the editing and personal attacks, I’m exercising my free-market rights and going elsewhere.
Everyone,
Thanks for the conversations and ideas. God bless.
Good job Michael, you managed to alienate two bloggers with one act of poor judgement.
Rather than tell me to go to hell, why don’t you take the time to correct any errors in my understanding of the editing (or non-editing) of Aspen Post. That’s the way we do it here, or once did, before personal attacks became the retort of choice.
This new abrasive and combative persona you’ve adopted may work for the likes of Limbaugh, but it doesn’t suit the Liberal attitude you claim to portray.
According to you, Liberals are supposed to be nice. They’re supposed to be the good guys…remember?
Before you repel any more listeners and bloggers, you might want to take off that black hat and come back to the light.
Or you could just tell me to go to hell.
[Good job Michael, you managed to alienate two bloggers with one act of poor judgement.]
Nathan,
[First, perfection doesn’t need maintenance. Second, I am not responsible for anyone’s actions other then my own.]
I agree with you on both counts. I wrote “maintain,” from the assumption that my perceptions of what you see as perfection are imperfections. There is no way to reconcile the difference. I can’t see the perfection you enjoy.
I hope you have not abandoned blogging. I do take time off now and then too.
Sue, I think you are incorrect here.
[People are still railing about what happened during the Bush administration, but nothing has changed under Obama, in fact it's getting worse. Less jobs, less security, less freedom, more corporate profit, more secret backroom deals, more troops in harm's way.
No one seems to care. America is a lost cause. ]
Obama inherited the worst position since FDR. Turning the debacle on every imaginable variable; national security, the expenses already incurred, the tax cuts that evaporated through wealthy and corporate foreign investments (reduction in domestic money supply), the reaction to allowing 9-11 to happen (including the willful intent to go into Iraq based on political opportunity meaning the re-election of Bush), health care, dangerous lack of education, crumbling infrastructure (dams, bridges, roads, communications, power grid etc.) and so forth can’t be turned around on a dime by anyone. It was far easier for Bush to drive off the bus off cliff than it will be to get back, maybe impossible.
That is no excuse for continuing to have Homeland “Security,” for not getting out of Iraq, for not aggressively attempting to finish the only possibly legitimate war theatre in Afghanistan.
Vast sums of currency, have been appropriated and spent on crap ripe for corruption. Obama inherited the Bush budget sent by a Democratic congress. Education and health care are the two most neglected things over the last 35 years.
You bring up the “truthers,” they and the rest of the mass of conservatives/reactionaries/teabaggers/ImPalinators/IgnoRantis/Taliban Christianites are proof of this need for education. In fact, since these types are so willfully worthless, they will have to be carried by those who are educated enough to be able to attract capital and add value and wealth to this nation. America will be lost if it is left to the GOP masses including the refuse associated with the “truthers” above.
Why is this so? What would any international capitalist pay them to do, and why, when they can pay someone else less money, that can actually do the job if it is technical.
I can assure you that the rest of us includiong you and those you know will have to be very educated to compensate for that crippling ignorance. Hoping for educational ignorance in Europe and environmental catastrophe in China is not a solution.
Liberals are supposed to be nice.
Says who? Why should toleration of retrogressive conservativism and rejoicing in ignorance, embracing Taliban Christianite blather be tolerated.
I am as liberal as anyone can be, but I am not interested in being nice to bigots and the rest of the paleolith ignorant scum.
No one hurts my feelings here, ever. If you have information, put it out. It can be reviewed. If you want to attack me, go ahead. Attacking me because of my genetic origin, gender, age and so forth has nothing to do with thinking, and shows me stupidity. Attacking my ideas is better though. I can defend them, and if I am wrong I will say so. Take a position. I would prefer to not have ad hominem attacks here but it does happen.
If info would for once stop conflating the ridiculous with the genuinely insidious, he could be very helpful. Citing the truthers, birthers, and teabaggers and trying to prove Bush paid ninjas (or whomever) placing bombs in the WTC, a missile hit the pentagon, has me thinking that info is a part of the reactionary agitprop.
There are real problems, and working around the simpleton scum, comprising the bigoted base of the GOP is a problem in common for every American.
Just in case someone thinks I am offbase here, how about that Chinese economy? Got an answer from King James? Truther? Teabagger? Palin? Beck? Limbaugh?
There I go again.
helpful for you???
nawww
helpful in unmasking the real government activities that are evil, corrupt, murderous, allowing unchecked capitalism via honoring currency I.O.U.s obligating members of commonwealths to accept the plunder of limited resources (land, food, water, pollution, housing, health), violations of constitutional principles and the rights of humanity as a whole and individuals.
No problem Info — I understand where you are coming from.
If you and others in this country had taken a look at the why we are in Iraq without the ridiculous types of conspiracy theories which violate for instance the accelleration constant of gravity, and the types of threads leading back to the Vince Foster and mass murder attributed to Clinton, the genuine issues which you do bring up wouldn’t be lost in the insulation of ridiculous.
1) Pot — legalise it from seed to bowl, bong or joint any amount. If you want it, grow it yourself because there will be very little money in “dealing.” The billions of dollars that have left our borders would stop, and not that many people care the crime associated with trafficking contraband would stop too including the murders.
2) 9-11 — OK, the government knew about the deeds about to be done and allowed it to happen. Mostly Saudis were involved and we end up in Iraq. Granted, almost every one that saw themselves as Conservative/GOP believed whatever Bush had to say about this. Plenty of Democrats also gave Bush the benefit of the doubt. I didn’t meet many liberals who thought there was any logical association between Saddam Hussein and the perpetrators of 9-11.
3) Patriot Act/ Homeland Security created many problems and added to some that were small. Eavesdropping, domestic spying…. too numerous to go into.
If Sue is correct, it is foolish to bother or even care. If you are correct we live in a matrix of illusion and delusion.
I choose to believe there is hope, however small.
Its not rocket science….
Carrying the torch of hope for dishonorable, traitorous, evil leaders is unacceptable and only promotes evil.
At least me and Sue have no blood on our hands.
Remember, not so long ago Hitler was Man of the Year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw
I carry disdain, disgust, revulsion and fury born of contempt towards the dishonorable, traitorous, cowardly chicken hawk hypocrite evil leaders, now, in world history and all of this ilk who will be.
The torch of hope I carry, is hope for enlightenment for the followers — those confused, with beastly “god” afeard ignorance, full of cultural myth believing opinions, in the face of overwhelming information, contrary to the child like fairytales they recapitulate and have recycled on the propaganda and cultural programming digital media. The sheeple follower’s delusion of perceived “truth,” I despise.
I have no blood on my hands.
The Evil Empire
By Paul Craig Roberts
11-6-9
The US government is now so totally under the thumbs of organized interest groups that “our” government can no longer respond to the concerns of the American people who elect the president and the members of the House and Senate. Voters will vent their frustrations over their impotence on the president, which implies a future of one-term presidents. Soon our presidents will be as ineffective as Roman emperors in the final days of that empire.
Obama is already set on the course to a one-term presidency. He promised change, but has delivered none. His health care bill is held hostage by the private insurance companies seeking greater profits. The most likely outcome will be cuts in Medicare and Medicaid in order to help fund wars that enrich the military/security complex and the many companies created by privatizing services that the military once provided for itself at far lower costs. It would be interesting to know the percentage of the $700+ billion “defense” spending that goes to private companies. In American “capitalism,” an amazing amount of taxpayers’ earnings go to private firms via the government. Yet, Republicans scream about “socializing” health care.
Republicans and Democrats saw opportunities to create new sources of campaign contributions by privatizing as many military functions as possible. There are now a large number of private companies that have never made a dollar in the market, feeding instead at the public trough that drains taxpayers of dollars while loading Americans with debt service obligations.
Obama inherited an excellent opportunity to bring US soldiers home from the Bush regime’s illegal wars of aggression. In its final days, the Bush regime realized that it could “win” in Iraq by putting the Sunni insurgents on the US military payroll. Once Bush had 80,000 insurgents collecting US military pay, violence, although still high, dropped in half. All Obama had to do was to declare victory and bring our boys home, thanking Bush for winning the war. It would have shut up the Republicans.
But this sensible course would have impaired the profits and share prices of those firms that comprise the military/security complex. So instead of doing what he said he would do and what the voters elected him to do, Obama restarted the war in Afghanistan and launched a new one in Pakistan. Soon Obama was echoing Bush and Cheney’s threats to attack Iran.
In place of health care for Americans, there will be more profits for private insurance companies.
In place of peace there will be more war.
Voters are already recognizing the writing on the wall and are falling away from Obama and the Democrats. Independents who gave Obama his comfortable victory have now swung against him, recently electing Republican governors in New Jersey and Virginia to succeed Democrats. This is a protest vote, not a confidence vote in Republicans.
Obama’s credibility is shot. And so is that of Congress, assuming it ever had any. The US House of Representatives has just voted to show the entire world that the US House of Representatives is nothing but the servile, venal, puppet of the Israel Lobby. The House of Representatives of the American “superpower” did the bidding of its master, AIPAC, and voted 344 to 36 to condemn the Goldstone Report.
In case you don’t know, the Goldstone Report is the Report of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict. The “Gaza Conflict” is the Israeli military attack on the Gaza ghetto, where 1.5 million dispossessed Palestinians, whose lands, villages, and homes were stolen by Israel, are housed. The attack was on civilians and civilian infrastructure. It was without any doubt a war crime under the Nuremberg standard that the US established in order to execute Nazis.
Goldstone is not only a very distinguished Jewish jurist who has given his life to bringing people to accountability for their crimes against humanity, but also a Zionist. However, the Israelis have demonized him as a “self-hating Jew” because he wrote the truth instead of Israeli propaganda.
US Representative Dennis Kucinich, who is now without a doubt a marked man on AIPAC’s political extermination list, asked the House if the members had any realization of the shame that the vote condemning Goldstone would bring on the House and the US government. The entire rest of the world accepts the Goldstone report.
The House answered with its lopsided vote that the rest of the world doesn’t count as it doesn’t give campaign contributions to members of Congress.
This shameful, servile act of “the world’s greatest democracy” occurred the very week that a court in Italy convicted 23 US CIA officers for kidnapping a person in Italy. The CIA agents are now considered “fugitives from justice” in Italy, and indeed they are.
The kidnapped person was renditioned to the American puppet state of Egypt, where the victim was held for years and repeatedly tortured. The case against him was so absurd that even an Egyptian judge ordered his release.
One of the convicted CIA operatives, Sabrina deSousa, an attractive young woman, says that the US broke the law by kidnapping a person and sending him to another country to be tortured in order to manufacture another “terrorist” in order to keep the terrorist hoax going at home. Without the terrorist hoax, America’s wars for special interest reasons would become transparent even to Fox “News” junkies.
Ms. deSousa says that “everything I did was approved back in Washington,” yet the government, which continually berates us to “support the troops,” did nothing to protect her when she carried out the Bush regime’s illegal orders.
Clearly, this means that the crime that Bush, Cheney, the Pentagon, and the CIA ordered is too heinous and beyond the pale to be justified, even by memos from the despicable John Yoo and the Republican Federalist Society.
Ms. deSousa is clearly worried about herself. But where is her concern for the innocent person that she sent into an Egyptian hell to be tortured until death or admission of being a terrorist? The remorse deSousa expresses is only for herself. She did her evil government’s bidding and her evil government that she so faithfully served turned its back on her. She has no remorse for the evil she committed against an innocent person.
Perhaps deSousa and her 22 colleagues grew up on video games. It was great fun to plot to kidnap a real person and fly him on a CIA plane to Egypt. Was it like a fisherman catching a fish or a deer hunter killing a beautiful 8-point buck? Clearly, they got their jollies at the expense of their renditioned victim.
The finding of the Italian court, and keep in mind that Italy is a bought-and-paid-for US puppet state, indicates that even our bought puppets are finding the US too much to stomach.
Moving from the tip of the iceberg down, we have Ambassador Craig Murray, rector of the University of Dundee and until 2004 the UK Ambassador to Uzbekistan, which he describes as a Stalinist totalitarian state courted and supported by the Americans.
As ambassador, Murray saw the MI5 intelligence reports from the CIA that described the most horrible torture procedures. “People were raped with broken bottles, children were tortured in front of their parents until they [the parents] signed a confession, people were boiled alive.”
“Intelligence” from these torture sessions was passed on by the CIA to MI5 and to Washington as proof of the vast al Qaeda conspiracy.
Amb. Murray reports that the people delivered by CIA flights to Uzbekistan’s torture prisons “were told to confess to membership in Al Qaeda. They were told to confess they’d been in training camps in Afghanistan. They were told to confess they had met Osama bin Laden in person. And the CIA intelligence constantly echoed these themes.”
“I was absolutely stunned,” says the British ambassador, who thought that he served a moral country that, along with its American ally, had moral integrity. The great Anglo-American bastion of democracy and human rights, the homes of the Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights, the great moral democracies that defeated Nazism and stood up to Stalin’s gulags, were prepared to commit any crime in order to maximize profits.
Amb. Murray learned too much and was fired when he vomited it all up. He saw the documents that proved that the motivation for US and UK military aggression in Afghanistan had to do with the natural gas deposits in Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan. The Americans wanted a pipeline that bypassed Russia and Iran and went through Afghanistan. To insure this, an invasion was necessary. The idiot American public could be told that the invasion was necessary because of 9/11 and to save them from “terrorism,” and the utter fools would believe the lie.
“If you look at the deployment of US forces in Afghanistan, as against other NATO country forces in Afghanistan, you’ll see that undoubtedly the US forces are positioned to guard the pipeline route. It’s what it’s about. It’s about money, its about energy, it’s not about democracy.”
Guess who the consultant was who arranged with then Texas governor George W. Bush the agreements that would give to Enron the rights to Uzbekistan’s and Turkmenistan’s natural gas deposits and to Unocal to develop the trans-Afghanistan pipeline. It was Karzai, the US-imposed “president” of Afghanistan, who has no support in the country except for American bayonets.
Amb. Murray was dismissed from the UK Foreign Service for his revelations. No doubt on orders from Washington to our British puppet.
Killing in the Name Of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkuOAY-S6OY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txPzY_5IqCA
http://www.infowars.com/dollar-will-be-utterly-destroyed-global-currency-new-world-order/
The rest of the world produces “real things” while the US produces promises, pretty money, porno and war
Ed, re: your comment #48
Look…let’s be real here…all of the protestations by die-hard Obama supporters that he “inherited” problems from Bush that are just to complex to solve quickly…are completely foolish.
Putting aside the economy and the Middle East war and health care reform for the moment, let’s focus on the Bush administration’s policies that people like you and I and even the Con Man detested and protested: institution of the PATRIOT Act in violation of our Constitution, spying on American citizens in violation of the FISA act, using signing statements and executive privilege to subvert the legislative process, extraordinary rendition, torture, Guantanamo, the death of Habeus Corpus, corporate favoritism and war profiteering, White House secrecy and backroom deals with corporations and lobbyists..
NONE of this has changed under Obama’s watch. NOT ONE THING HAS CHANGED!
Obama supported the renewing of the PATRIOT Act, continues warrantless wiretaps, supports the continuation of CIA operations violating human rights, supports corporate interests above the needs of the people, has used his own executive privilege and signing statements, is escalating the war in the Middle East, sending MORE U.S. troops to bomb, maim and kill innocent civilians, creating more Muslim enemies and endangering our national security.
Other than oratory eloquence, Obama is no different than Bush; he’s a figurehead, a puppet, a shill for corporations. He’s appointed financial crooks to economic State Department positions, he’s kept backroom White House dealings with health insurance and pharmaceutical lobbies secret, refused to allow torture photos to be released to the public, refused to investigate and prosecute those responsible for our economic downfall and those involved in illegal human rights abuses.
Because of the disastrous policies of the Bush administration and Obama’s campaign promises to change them, the American people were duped into voting for him. Instead of change, we got more of the same. But where is the outrage? Where are the protests? American’s are remaining stunningly silent while we are robbed blind, rendered jobless, homeless, and having our constitutional rights and freedoms ripped out from under us by THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION!
Keep track of Obama here:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/
Did Sue say “even the Con Man”!!!
My record on defending civil liberties and unpopular causes is wide, deep, and irrefutable. I can only surmise that you have again set a bar so high that only one person can reach it–and that, of course, would be you Sue, the one person who holds the Obama Administration to account. (Now that must be a full-time job.)
So my guess is also that you would have us do without healthcare legislation, requiring compromise, or a cap-and-trade system, requiring even more. Easier for you to hunker down in your bunker with farm-fresh legumes.
“Even the Con Man.” Even you can’t be serious.
Con Man,
I’m somewhat perplexed at your taking exception to my inclusion of you as one who opposed Bush administration policies curtailing our liberties. Perhaps it’s the word “even” that you object to. In that case let me amend my statement to read…”and ESPECIALLY the Con Man.” Does that appease your delicate sensibilities?
Since you’ve often chastised me and others for guessing about the thoughts and motives of our fellow bloggers, I don’t see how you’ve any room to guess about what I would have us do without. I will say that unlike you, I have no desire to pretend that healthcare legislation in its current incarnation will do anything to help the average American afford healthcare.
As for me being the only one holding the Obama administration accountable, well so far that appears to be the case. Frankly I’m surprised that you, the liberal talk show host who doggedly tracked Bush administration transgressions, has not found those same transgressions by the Obama administration worthy of discussion on Con Games. Instead you prefer to base almost every Con Games show on your perceived notions of the shortcomings of conservatives, the same as if they were still the ones in power.
I wouldn’t have pegged you as prone to partisan politics, but unless you start criticizing Obama by the same standards you held Bush to, there’s no other conclusion to be reached but that you support the Democratic party regardless of their policies.
What happened to your theme song attitude: “Won’t get fooled again?”
Con Games indeed.
Hey Big Shot; not everything is about you…until you make it that way.
My comment was in answer to Ed. Instead of you joining the conversation about Obama with some of your own insights, you turn it toward a discussion of you. My mistake was including you in my comment in the first place. Every time I mention you, you think it’s an attack and feel the need to go on the offensive by attacking me.
I guess when it comes to self promotion, loyalty to listeners and bloggers goes right out the window.
Sue wrote: Other than oratory eloquence, Obama is no different than Bush.
But at least they remembered Bush at Harvard
Obama, Class of When?
This would be funny if it wasnt so pathetic
http://foro.univision.com/univision/boa … e.id=29216
NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT COLUMBIA
antimullah.com ^ | 10/18/2009 | Alan Peters
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2365625/posts
Looking for evidence of Obama’s past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia University students from the period when Obama claims to have been there, but none remembered him.
Wayne Allyn Root was, like Obama, a political science major at Columbia who also graduated in 1983. In 2008, Root says of Obama, “I don’t know a single person at Columbia that knew him, and they all know me.
I don’t have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia. Ever!
Nobody recalls him. I’m not exaggerating, I’m not kidding.” Root adds that he was also, like Obama, “Class of ‘83 political science, pre-law” and says, “You don’t get more exact or closer than that. Never met him in my life, don’t know anyone who ever met him.
At the class reunion, our 20th reunion five years ago, who was asked to be the speaker of the class? Me.
No one ever heard of Barack! And five years ago, nobody even knew who he was. The guy who writes the class notes, who’s kind of the, as we say in New York, the macha who knows everybody, has yet to find a person, a human who ever met him. Is that not strange?
It’s very strange.” Obama’s photograph does not appear in the school’s yearbook and Obama consistently declines requests to talk about his years at Columbia, provide school records, or provide the name of any former classmates or friends while at Columbia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Ally … column-one
NOTE: Root graduated as Valedictorian from his high school, Thornton-Donovan School, then graduated from Columbia University in 1983 as a Political Science major (in the same class as President Barack Obama WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN IN)
Putting aside the economy and the Middle East war and health care reform for the moment, [I can't really put these things aside. These are things of considerable substance and difference from the previous (mal)administration] let’s focus on the Bush administration’s policies that people like you and I and even the Con Man detested and protested: institution of the PATRIOT Act in violation of our Constitution, spying on American citizens in violation of the FISA act, using signing statements and executive privilege to subvert the legislative process, extraordinary rendition, torture, Guantanamo, the death of Habeus Corpus, corporate favoritism and war profiteering, White House secrecy and backroom deals with corporations and lobbyists..
NONE of this has changed under Obama’s watch. NOT ONE THING HAS CHANGED!
[Eliminating the differences leaves only the similarities. I could logically say eliminating all similarities leaves Bush and Obama completely different. Both are ridiculous and we both know that.]
Obama supported the renewing of the PATRIOT Act, continues warrantless wiretaps, supports the continuation of CIA operations violating human rights, supports corporate interests above the needs of the people, has used his own executive privilege and signing statements, is escalating the war in the Middle East, sending MORE U.S. troops to bomb, maim and kill innocent civilians, creating more Muslim enemies and endangering our national security.
I want to definitevely state I do not support any of the preceding situations except the the genuine need to renew the effort to find Osama bin Laden and to show the corruption of Islam by the Taliban and Al Qaida. Troops and the leafletting of real Koran teachings contrasted with the lies of Al Qaida and Taliban clerics needs to be done. If we are not going to do that we should leave now and in fact should have already left.
But at least they remembered Bush at Harvard.
Bush went to Harvard?
If you get past the everything is a conspiracy and accept the possibility of some random chaos, fog might just be fog not some murderous mist.
This youtube video is interesting
Pastor Manning Visited By CIA, Expects To Be Arrested
Pastor James David Manning, one of President Obama’s most vocal and outspoken critics, has just released a video in which he claims that on the afternoon of November 16th, 2009, while at his ATLAH World Missionary Church, he was visited by two CIA agents. Manning says the agents claimed that they were from Homeland Security and were accompanied by two NYPD Detectives.
Pastor Manning also said he expects to be arrested within the next few days and charged with “the threat against the life of a U.S. President”, and he believes that this arrest is imminent.
However, Manning says he welcomes the arrest and will not attempt to resist. He believes it is possible that God will use his arrest to finally bring about the truth regarding Obama’s citizenship.
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=5336
Why is the Angel Food Ministries logo being used on this post on the front page? I am about as far from religion as anyone… but that is a really good organization helping a lot of people and has nothing to do with the bickering that takes place on this website.