Here’s today’s thread from Facebook:
Michael Conniff
Thirty percent of self-describer Tea Party types believe Barack Obama was not born in the U.S. Birthers will be the death of that movement. But fiscal conservatism is here to stay. Don’t believe it? Better have your eyes checked. Hello Rand Paul!
I hope people don’t confuse fiscal conservatism with wingnut fiscal extremism. I would think that a conservative would work toward a pay as you go restraint of public spending rather than recklessly dismantling the infrastructure of our government. I don’t know if the Libertarian message of no environmental or workplace regulation is still going resonate after the BP oil spill and the Massey Energy coal disaster.
Ahhh regulation…. The Tea Party aversion to government has to be seen as an aversion to regulation, and “Drill Baby Drill” on the right means regulators have to get out of the way. Even Adam Smith said government had to exert a firm hand if not a smack upside the head.
On immigration Smith said there is no free market unless labor has the same rights as materials and capitol to cross borders.
He is no Ron Paul, but it is a start.
Fiscal conservativism will have to overcome the sacred religion of Keynsian pump priming, and those who like having the electorate feel dependent on federal spending to juice the economy. It’s been many decades since the economy wasn’t juiced by deficits and borrowing. Gonna be painful to get off the crack.
Nice Port of Call shirt Mark!
…15% of Democrats agree as well as 12% of slef-described liberals (http://abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/Birthers_new.pdf). Will birthers be the death of the liberal movement? There will always be a significant portion of the population that is uninformed. Heck Obama said himself he’s been to 57 states and still has one to go! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws) LOL
Thanks, Doug. Glad someone knows it!
So Democrats are twice as smart as Teabaggers? Sounds about right.
Is that Haaaavaaad math? BTW, you owe me a steak dinner. 
Michael Conniff
Rand Paul, the new hero of the newly reconstituted Right, would put the rights of the private business owner above the rights of the individual to be served at a lunch counter. Rand Paul is willing to allow the state to bless racism so as to worship at the altar of private enterprise. Sitting at the lunch counter on p…rinciple, Rand Paul is about to get it right between the eyes, and he deserves every bit of it.
Cindy Svatos
Is he related to Ru Paul?
Michael Conniff
That would be too rude! Never occurred to me before but he must be named after Ayn Rand, middle name Greenspan.
Jennifer Blei Stockman
he would also make abortion illegal even in cases of rape, incest and health of the mother.
Melissa Wight
yep. I heard him avoiding the subject last night. two steps forward, one and 1/2 steps back.
Michael Conniff
Libertarianism works much better on paper than in practice.
Michael Ireland
Doesn’t work for me – defining one self by “property” rights is always a bad idea.
4 hours ago · .Edward Troy There have been deep rooted suspicions regarding racism from Ron Paul, his father for a long time. Racists like to use “liberty” “freedom” “privacy” and nationalism as vehicles to hide behind. States Rights was a code for segregation and a “core value” in the presumptive ideology of the so called conservative movement, until Bush v. Gore, when all … See Moresemblance of principled ideology was tossed as a flimsy veil behind the real agenda — naked lust for power. Libertarianism is nothing more than a front for those lusting for power and is particularly useful in polarizing “racial” demographics. While it may not be said in public anymore “vote right vote white,” is still a cornerstone behind some of these movements. This goes hand in hand with having more money which equals more rights including the purchase of justice, like any other commodity. The gulf oil spill disaster illustrates — 11 dead because a corporate entity had more rights than those who died, even if you don’t care about the environment.
Jeffrey Wertz
deep rooted suspicions?? is this a better kind of suspicion than garden variety, whooly unsupported suspicion? please explain the basis for the deep rooted suspicion that Ron paul is a racist. was he in the KKK before conress? what?
Edward Troy
Not exactly unbiased, but what sort of denial works? I am not prejudiced, Mexicans are illegal thieves and everyone should own a black or two? I understand you may be tired of hearing it, but not as tired as those who experience it or are revolted when they see it. Most people have the sophistication to not publicly blather prejudices of any type … See Moreexcept for the continuing anti gay stuff. So for viewing pleasure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de_CSuJCsfY
This isn’t the only thing just one of the first.
By the way, the elder Paul’s stance on drug laws and the Iraq war I agree with. People are rarely 100% wrong or 100%correct on everything. People will get over racist crap when people stop being racist or bigoted and tolerating racism and other prejudices and biases having nothing to do with capability. In a capitalist world, competition is good and favoritism, whether social or legal creates inefficiencies in productivity. Every time someone stops another from competing, because of some idiot bigotry, someone else gets an opportunity, because they were bettering themselves. So we can continue to give opportunities by default to overseas competitors to enable “freedom,” or we can support each other and our businesses, communities, cities and wherever we live.
Michael Conniff
I don’t think Rand Paul is a racist per se, but to elevate the rights of the “property owner” above the rights of each individual for life, liberty, and happiness–regardless of ANYTHING–was on of the tenets of slavery, segregation, and untold misery. There is no such thing as “the marketplace,” but rather the individual.
More from the Facebook thread:
Hugh McCormack
With this poser AJ from CT lying about being ‘In Country,’ the ‘C’ street coven half of whom are under ethics investigations, the 1/2 gov from Alaska, the MMA and Gulf ruination, the Supremes elevating corporations to campaign donor status…It’s all too pathetic and dire for words.
Jeffrey Wertz What happened to the post-racial America? Debate is patriotic. The notions of liberty freedom and privacy are and will alwAys be Noble aspirations. If we can’t trust Arizona peace officers to use their eyes,ears and common sense, why do we trust them with guns, clubs and tasers,lest they start shooting everyone?
Victor Garrett
Well-spoken Michael, and I really can’t wait for the blow back that I hope will come! It’s so sad that the victims in this election cycle are mostly, going to be the moderates, thus further polarizing the political debate.
Breaking-Your-Heart-News: “AUSTIN, Texas – The Texas State Board of Education adopted a social studies and history curriculum Friday that amends or waters down the teaching of the civil rights movement, slavery, America’s relationship with the U.N. and hundreds of other items. The ideological debate over the guidelines, which drew intense scrutiny beyond Texas, will be used to teach some 4.8 million Texas students for the next 10 years.”
CULTural programming, illustrated by a mythical American pathos. Exceptionalism, gee what’s that — some sort of “goodwill” gained by mere virtue of birth place? This reeks of Stalinist crap with a “religious” twist. These propagandists claiming religion AND faith are beneath sickening.
The press knows that Obama is not a “natural born citizen,” having written on several occasions about the “Kenyan born” senator from Chicago.
Over four-hundred law suits have been filed across the country asking the courts to force Obama to become the “transparent president” he promised to be, and all four-hundred are being dismissed before discovery, all on the basis that “no citizen has proper legal standing” to ask who and what their president really is…
Over a half-million citizens have now signed a petition demanding to see Obama’s birth records.
Michelle Obama states that Kenya is Barack’s “home country.” The Ambassador or Kenya has confirmed the same and are in fact quite proud of the fact that Americans had no hesitation in electing a “black man from Kenya” as President of the United States.
The diversionary search for an authentic birth certificate is ongoing and Obama has now spent in excess of $2 million in legal fees to keep that search alive.
Other questions about Obama that need answers
Why didn’t Barack Obama have a Social Security Number issued in his name when he was first employed as a 14-year-old in Hawaii? Why was there such a long delay after his first job before an application was made for a Social Security Number? And why was he given a Connecticut Social Security Number previously used by a man born in the late 1800s, given that Obama never lived in Connecticut to begin with?
The first instance of Obama’s use of the Connecticut number was when he started to work as a Community Organizer in Chicago–a very long way from Connecticut.
Further, why was Obama given a degree from Columbia University when no one in Harlem ever remembers him being there, and although witnesses have testified that he was never a student on campus? And the address given by Obama as the one that he used while a student in Harlem does not exist.
But perhaps the most telling question of all is, why did Obama use a Kenyan passport to travel to Pakistan in 1981? Wouldn’t a U.S. citizen normally be given an American passport? It seems to be standard procedure–and the law–that passports are given only to citizens of the country in which they reside.
And what has the CIA got to do with all of this mess?
The fact is we may never know for sure unless somebody in authority in the government decides to investigate and discover the answers.
But one thing is for sure–Obama is an enigma, a shadow, a persona created out of the murky circumstances of his past, which is being carefully hidden. Why would it even need to be hidden?
These questions are disturbing to anyone who takes our Constitution and our way of life seriously. Our form of government, as delineated in the Constitution, is dependent upon the honesty and transparency of those who hold public office. And if a fraud is elected, a charlatan, a person who presents himself as something he is not, then the entire American system of government is in grave danger.
Better to err on the side of utmost caution than to glibly dismiss all of these questions as ‘mere coincidences.’ Coincidences do happen, no doubt, but this many and this often–all revolving around one man?
The odds are that the country is in grave danger.
[Our form of government, as delineated in the Constitution, is dependent upon the honesty and transparency of those who hold public office. And if a fraud is elected, a charlatan, a person who presents himself as something he is not, then the entire American system of government is in grave danger.]
This probably won’t help, but here you go:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-22-2009/the-born-identity
yeah, that was a funny
just show us the birth certificate….ohhh but you cant do that can you.
Along with tens of millions of Republicans,
there is a long list of prominent leaders who have raised questions over Obama’s eligibility, including Champaign Mayor Gerald Schweighart, who said, “If you are not willing to produce an original birth certificate, then you’ve got something to hide,” he said. “If he doesn’t have something to hide, produce it.”
The mayor joined Tennessee state Senate speaker Ron Ramsey, Hawaii state Sen. Will Espero, Oklahoma state Rep. Mike Ritze, U.S. Rep. Bill Posey, R-Fla., and many other with similar questions.
There also have been efforts to raise the question of Obama’s eligibility at the state and national levels. Several state legislatures are working on proposals that would require presidential candidates to submit proof of their eligibility. Among the states where election qualification or eligibility requirements have been considered or developed include Oklahoma, Arizona, Georgia, Indiana, Virginia and New York.
Hawaii state Sen. Will Espero
Hawaii state Sen. Will Espero, a Democrat, has suggested that legislation could be adopted to release Obama’s birth records and satisfy critics.
While Espero said he believes Obama was born in Hawaii, he explained, “My decision to file the legislation was primarily a result of the fuss over President Obama’s birth records and the lingering questions,” Espero said.
Oklahoma state Rep. Mike Ritze
Oklahoma state Rep. Mike Ritze sponsored a proposal to demand eligibility documentation from candidates for political office, including the president. Ritze, who says he regularly gets questions from his constituents about Obama’s eligibility, said an “ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure” on the issues of candidate qualifications and eligibility.
U.S. Rep. Bill Posey, R-Fla.
In March 2009, Rep. Bill Posey, R-Fla., proposed H.R. 1503, known as the Presidential Eligibility Act. It is still pending in a House committee and has nearly a dozen co-sponsors, including Reps. Dan Burton, R-Ind.; Ted Poe, R-Texas; Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn.; John Campbell, R-Calif.; John R. Carter, R-Texas; John Culberson, R-Texas; Bob Goodlatte, R-Va.; and Randy Neugebauer, R-Texas; Trent Franks, R-Ariz.; Louie Gohmert, R-Texas; and Kenny Marchant, R-Texas.
The measure seeks to “amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require the principal campaign committee of a candidate for election to the office of President to include with the committee’s statement of organization a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate … to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility to the Office of President under the Constitution.”
Arizona state Sen. Sylvia Allen
Arizona state Sen. Sylvia Allen, R-Snowflake, said the controversy over Obama and his birth certificate has raised questions.
“It just makes sense and will stop any controversy in the future to just show you are a natural born citizen,” she told the Arizona Capitol Times.
Arizona state Rep. Judy Burges
Arizona state Rep. Judy Burges, R-Skull Valley, told WND she has been getting questions from other states about H2442, a proposal she sponsored to require future presidential candidates to reveal show they are qualified under the U.S. Constitution’s demand for a “natural born citizen.” The bill was co-sponsored by some three dozen lawmakers who also want state officials to independently verify the accuracy of documentation.
U.S. Rep. Nathan Deal, R-Ga.
Rep. Nathan Deal, R-Ga., sent a Dec. 10 letter to the White House formally requesting that President Obama address questions about his place of birth – and thus, whether he is qualified to be president. Deal, who is running for governor, said several months ago he would ask Obama to prove his eligibility.
“I have looked at the documentation that is publicly available, and it leaves many things to be desired,” Deal said in November.
Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin
Even Sarah Palin, former vice-presidential candidate and best-selling author, affirmed that questions about Barack Obama’s eligibility for office are legitimate.
“I think it’s a fair question, just like I think past association and past voting records – all of that is fair game,” Palin said. “The McCain-Palin campaign didn’t do a good enough job in that area.”
Former House majority leader Tom DeLay
In October, former House majority leader Tom DeLay offered his views on Obama’s birth, saying, “Why wouldn’t the president of the United States show the American people his birth certificate? You have to show a birth certificate to play Little League baseball. It’s a question that should be answered. It’s in the Constitution that you have to be a natural born citizen of the United States to be president.”
U.S. Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo.
Asked whether he believes Obama is eligible to be president, U.S. Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., said, “What I don’t know is why the president cannot produce a birth certificate. I don’t know anyone else who can’t produce one. I think that’s a legitimate question.”
U.S. Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz.
U.S. Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz., said he believes Obama was born in the U.S., but he also said he thinks the president is trying to hide something:
“I believe he’s a natural born citizen of the United States. Therefore, even if he acts un-American and seems to go against American interests, he’s still an American-born citizen,” he said. “All that being said, probably Barack Obama could solve this problem and make the birthers back off by simply showing … his long form birth certificate.”
Because that isn’t happening, “There’s some other issue there.”
“I don’t know what it is that he doesn’t want people to see the birth certificate. I don’t think it has to do with his natural-born citizenship,” Franks continued. “He’s spent an awful lot of money to keep people from seeing the birth certificate. … I think it has to do with something else.”
Feminist icon Camille Paglia
Even feminist icon Camille Paglia, a Salon.com columnist who earlier wrote about the ambiguities of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate, told a National Public Radio audience that those who have questions about his eligibility actually have a point. “Yes, there were ambiguities about Obama’s birth certificate that have never been satisfactorily resolved. And the embargo on Obama’s educational records remains troubling,” she wrote.
New Hampshire State Rep. Laurence Rappaport
In September, New Hampshire State Rep. Laurence Rappaport, R-Colebrook, said he was tired of telling his constituents that he’s not sure of Obama’s eligibility to serve as president. He met with New Hampshire’s secretary of state, William Gardner, who oversees the state’s elections, to demand answers.
“Regardless of where he was born, is he a natural born citizen as required by the Constitution? I don’t know the answer to that,” Rappaport said. “My understanding is that … a natural born citizen had to be someone with two American parents. If that’s true, his father was a Kenyan and therefore a British subject at the time. Then there’s the issue: If he was born out of the country, was his mother old enough at the time to confer citizenship?
“I expect somebody to come up with the legal answers to this,” Rappaport told WND, “and so far that hasn’t happened.”
Former Rep. J.D. Hayworth, R-Ariz.
In his Jan. 26 appearance on “Hardball,” former Rep. J.D. Hayworth was asked by Chris Matthews, “Are you as far right as the birthers? Are you one of those who believes that the president should have to prove that he’s a citizen of the United States and not an illegal immigrant? Are you that far right?”
Hayworth replied, “Well, gosh, we all had to bring our birth certificates to show we were who we said we were, and we were the age we said we were, to play football in youth sports. Shouldn’t we know exactly that anyone who wants to run for public office is a natural-born citizen of the United States, and is who they say they are?”
“Should the governor of Hawaii produce evidence that the president is one of us, an American?” Matthews asked. “Do you think that’s a worthy pastime for the governor of Hawaii right now?”
“No, I … Look, I’m just saying the president should come forward with the information, that’s all,” said Hayworth. “Why should we depend on the governor of Hawaii?”
Prominent commentators
A prominent array of commentators, including Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, Mark Levin, Lou Dobbs, Peter Boyles and WND’s Chuck Norris and Pat Boone have all said unequivocally and publicly that the Obama eligibility issue is legitimate and worthy.
Longtime New York radio talker Lynn Samuels did the same. “We don’t even know where he was born,” she said. “I absolutely believe he was not born in this country.”
WND has reported on multiple legal challenges to Obama’s status as a “natural born citizen.” The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.”
Some of the lawsuits question whether Obama was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama’s American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.
Other challenges have focused on Obama’s citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.
Further, others question his citizenship by virtue of his attendance in Indonesian schools during his childhood and question on what passport did he travel to Pakistan three decades ago.
Adding fuel to the fire is Obama’s persistent refusal to release documents that could provide answers and the appointment – and payments to one of his eligibility lawyers at a cost confirmed to be at least $1.7 million – of numerous lawyers to defend against all requests for his documentation. That’s in addition to the work done by U.S. attorneys defending Obama’s eligibility, as in this case.
While his supporters cite an online version of a “Certification of Live Birth” from Hawaii as his birth verification, critics point out such documents actually were issued for children not born in the state.
conman wont dare see the elephant in the living room….lol
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WND Exclusive
Hawaii elections clerk: Obama not born here
Official who oversaw ballots in 2008 race says hospital birth certificate non-existent
Posted: June 10, 2010
3:39 am Eastern
By Joe Kovacs
© 2010 WorldNetDaily
A college instructor who worked as a senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in 2008 is making the stunning claim Barack Obama was definitely not born in Hawaii as the White House maintains, and that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama does not even exist in the Aloha State.
Tim Adams, a former senior elections clerk for Honolulu, now teaches English at Western Kentucky University.
“There is no birth certificate,” said Tim Adams, a graduate assistant who teaches English at Western Kentucky University in Bowling Green, Ky. “It’s like an open secret. There isn’t one. Everyone in the government there knows this.”
Adams, who says he’s a Hillary Clinton supporter who ended up voting for John McCain when Clinton lost the Democratic nomination to Obama, told WND, “I managed the absentee-ballot office. It was my job to verify the voters’ identity.”
He says during the 2008 campaign when the issue of Obama’s constitutional eligibility first arose, the elections office was inundated with requests to verify the birthplace of the U.S. senator from Illinois.
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“I had direct access to the Social Security database, the national crime computer, state driver’s license information, international passport information, basically just about anything you can imagine to get someone’s identity,” Adams explained. “I could look up what bank your home mortgage was in. I was informed by my boss that we did not have a birth record [for Obama].”
At the time, there were conflicting reports that Obama had been born at the Queen’s Medical Center in Honolulu, as well as the Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children across town. So Adams says his office checked with both facilities.
“They told us, ‘We don’t have a birth certificate for him,’” he said. “They told my supervisor, either by phone or by e-mail, neither one has a document that a doctor signed off on saying they were present at this man’s birth.”
To date, no Hawaiian hospital has provided documented confirmation that Obama was born at its facility.
WND confirmed with Hawaiian officials that Adams was indeed working in their election offices during the last presidential election.
“His title was senior elections clerk in 2008,” said Glen Takahashi, elections administrator for the city and county of Honolulu.
Takahashi also confirmed Adams’ time frame at the office from spring until the month of August.
“We hire temporary workers, because we’re seasonal,” he said.
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